Defcon 4: “W.T.F.?”
Defcon 3: “What the fuck?”
Defcon 2.5 “What in the fuck?” (The “in” adds gravity.)
Defcon 2: “Tha’ fuck?”
Defcon 1: “Fuck?”
I mean, really. Fuck, man? i’-ta’ fuck?
I go away for a month, come back, and shit’s all fucked up. What happened here? Either Hope is being slandered horribly, or call me shocked and blindsided. She always seemed like a great person. I just can’t imagine her cheating on her husband. I will have another epistemic crisis, a collapse of confidence what little sanity the world seems to have, if this seemingly heroic woman turns out to have bitten faildirt in such a primal, unambiguously nefarious way.
Please clue me in, because I’m shocked. ‘Fuck happened here, people?
Kind of makes you have some compassion for the casual sexer eh
Kind of like you dam well better get the experience to know woman and be able to choose wisely or face some serious consequences.
It makes me sick. Hope was a voice of reason, sanity and goodness in the blogosphere.
Do we have any proof that this actually happened? Or is it all speculation and hearsay at this point?
I know what you mean about “get the experience to know woman”. The problem is that long-term-oriented men like myself (not saying I’m desperate to get married, but at this point, I wouldn’t date someone I couldn’t marry) tend not to have the high-frequency sexual turnover that leads to the acquisition of such “knowledge”. It’s a bitch.
Just some random commenter masquerading as her former husband. Overall, I like Hope. If she’s made mistakes, well we all have. I’ll leave it at that.
I like(d?) her too, but I have no idea what’s going on. Did she cheat on her husband or not? If she did, then I don’t much care for her anymore and her doing so has rendered worthless everything she’s said and stood for. If she did not cheat on her husband, then she has been slandered horribly.
What is Hope’s side of the story? I cannot access her blog.
Cless:
I suggest you look for those who strive to be something rather than those who are. For as it has been said: For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
One can have a code of honor and follow it, but one often ends up lonely in one’s search for another equally pure. That’s why there’s so few saints in history.
Please do not think saints abound in the sexual marketplace. Sometimes , someone who did something stupid and got burned is the best choice.
I’m not a saint, though. From my viewpoint, I’m a relatively average guy. This must be why I’m shocked by what I see every day; I don’t see myself as better than most other people, but I can’t recognize that sense of my own moral averageness with the horrific things I see people do to each other.
Another thing to consider is that marriages, once they start to unravel, get *very* messy. People do stuff that they otherwise would not do (including cheating, lying and so on). It’s a messy situation, and it’s best to accept that most of these situations are generally *not* one-sided, despite the side that happens to be telling you their side of the story. I suspect that the truth is somewhere between the two versions here, and it was somewhat messy, as it generally is. That’s just the reality of these kinds of things.
Divorce often turns people, even normal people, into animals. Even just having it mentioned aloud in the house is often enough to send people off their rocker.
There’s a reason why the Bible says God hates divorce.
And don’t be so quick to label someone a hypocrite, which is what you’re doing here, Cless. She would only be a hypocrite if she spoke out against something while she was still doing it herself. Doing it in her past doesn’t make her a hypocrite. And it’s often people, such as I, who have done something wrong and learned from it, that are then the most vocal critics against that practice.
In a previous post (somewhere on your blog), she mentions that she’d made serious mistakes in her past and that she’s working to improve herself, become a more spiritual and moral person, and change her ways. That doesn’t sound like a hypocrite to me.
Don’t throw the first stone, Cless. Remember the sin of lust is on equal footing with the sin of pride. And you obviously have more than your fair share of that, don’t you? Perhaps a bit more humility and compassion is called for.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone, I’ll be olffline till last Friday or early Sat. Family 🙂
May you all be blessed.
Bye Clarence
*chic noir waves shyly*
*someone whisper’s in chic noir’s ear*
Oh, kit said good bye too.
reality:
women are amoral by design
the one and only moral code they subscribe to is the gina tingle, they act like walking, talking marionettes and make up some bullshit rationalization afterward
whether you accept it or not, it doesn’t change the factual truth
I don’t think all women are this way. The same thing is said of men– they “can’t keep it in their pants”. It’s true of many, but not of all.
What you’ve said is true of far too many women (and men) but not of all of them. The problem is that it’s very difficult to tell the amoral, selfish ones from the rest– you often only know after the fact.
i wish you were right for obvious reasons, but, even disregarding my personal experience, I can’t find either material evidence or logical proof
Reality: everyone is born a sinner, will remain a sinner their entire lives, and will most likely die with sin on their souls.
The difference between the “good” people and the “bad” people isn’t that some are better behaved than others, but rather that the “good” people are trying to be good and the others have given up and revel in being “bad”. That’s like the way the media (Roissy in this case) likes to dredge up dirt on someone to discredit them. If they’re Christian the comment inevitably comes, “I can’t believe they did that! (or are doing that). And I thought they were so Christian.”
Which goes to show that they don’t know a thing about being Christian. Being Christian means that you try to follow Christ. It doesn’t mean that you’re particularly good at it or that you won’t make mistakes or even mess up royally occasionally.
Being promiscuous isn’t necessarily a sign that someone is amoral, just as being chaste doesn’t necessarily mean that some is moral. The difference is: are they sinning out of ignorance or due to personal weakness, or are they sinning because they don’t care that what they are doing is wrong. The former group can reform and be reasoned with sometimes. The latter group is pretty hopeless.
And, it’s not that difficult to tell. You just need to spend lots of time with them and observe them closely. Pick the one that is struggling with her inner demons, fighting for goodness and virtue, and striving for constant improvement of her character. Not the merely pious ones or the ones that have just lived a charmed life and are “nice” out of sheer moral laziness. There should be a sense of conviction present. Nobody is perfect so there’s always some aspect of her character that she could and should be working to improve. If she thinks there’s nothing wrong with her than there is something wrong with her.
Does she show compassion and charity for others?
Does she have a strong moral compass?
Is she able to forgive and forget or does she hold on to a grudge?
Does she readily admit to her own sins and transgressions and ask others for forgiveness?
Is she willing to sacrifice for the benefit of someone she loves?
If she makes a mistake does she try to rectify it and change her ways?
Is she honest and frank?
Etc.
And even if you find one these women she might still fuck it all up. She’s only human, after all.