I’ll flat-out say it: from the perspective of someone seeking a long-term life partner, preferably in the next decade, American white women just aren’t, in aggregate terms, very good. Sure, some individual American white women are great– my mother is an American-born white woman, and my parents are still together after 35 years– but there are far too few of them. The odds are long, and the good ones out there are usually taken. Show me an American-born single, attractive white woman older than 25, and I’ll show you an 85% chance of a defective personality.
The cultural pestilence (celebrity culture, The Rules, Sex and the City) that has swept through middle-class, predominantly white, suburban America has corrupted more women than men, just as the rot in our nation’s black culture (gangster machismo) has destroyed more men than women. The result of this, in both cases, is a severe gender imbalance– a “marriage squeeze”, if you will. There are plenty of great black men out there, but not enough for all the college-educated, professional black women. Likewise, there are plenty of quality white women out there, but not enough for all of the high-quality white men to find one. One conclusion: white men and black women should get together in larger numbers than they already do. It just makes sense, and I’ve been saying this for a long time.
More generally, the rising generation of white American men– unless they want to be celibate and miserable, or stuck in a sham marriage with a substandard partner– should look not only outside of their racial category, but beyond our national borders. Some white men are only attracted to white women; they can go to Eastern Europe. Others like Asian women; there’s a whole continent full of such women to the east. Those who are like me, and don’t care about a woman’s race in the least, will discover that there are several continents full of beautiful, charming, intelligent women who blow America’s suburban-bred office-cows and casual-sexing divorce monkeys so far out of the water they land in Poland (and, if they know what’s good for them, they’ll take lessons from the local gals).
I feel a need to clear up some misconceptions, propagated by panicking and jealous U.S. white women, about American white men who pursue international and interracial relationships.
Misconception #1: “White men going another way” (henceforth, WMGAW) are seeking subservient housewives.
False. Feminism is a worldwide phenomenon, and has been a force for good in most cultures it has touched. Modern Eastern European and Asian women are not submissive housewives. They’re smart, strong, educated, and assertive. They have college degrees and careers, and demand equality in relationships. The fact that they return calls, initiate sex, and support their lovers rather than trying to compete with them is not acquiescence. The first of these is basic politeness, the second is healthy sexual desire, and the third is love.
If WMGAW wanted subservient housewives, they’d target misogynistic shitholes like Saudi Arabia and, upon bringing their wives back home, keep them in complete social isolation– but no reasonable man wants to live like this. These men often go to countries like the Czech Republic, where women are as feminist as here. Others date black women, who are certainly not known for being docile housewives.
This assertion is also made about white men who date second- and later-generation Asian-Americans, and even more ridiculous when applied to them. Those who propogate this particular stereotype expose their ugly racism.
Misconception #2: WMGAW are taking advantage of foreign womens’ depressed economic situations.
This is, quite frankly, an offensive and wrong assertion. To make no distinction between (a) an upper-middle-class urban Colombian gal with a PhD and (b) a miserable third-world peasant is, quite frankly, absurd. To imply that most foreign women who date white American men are doing so for economic reasons is “ugly American” jingoism in the extreme. People– yes, even those who live in countries with $5000 per-capita GDP and hang-dry their clothes (gasp!)– do not separate with their families, friends, and cultures so lightly. A college-educated, comfortable Peruvian woman is not going to pack up and leave her friends and family behind and move to a foreign country because they drive larger cars there. Most of these women date internationally, and accept the attendant difficulties, because of love, not economic greed or desperation. (The “mail-order bride” phenomenon is a separate beast. It’s not representative of the norm for WMGAW.)
In most cultures, men are inferior (i.e. they have worse moral character and behavior) to women, creating a surplus of desirable and good women. Among U.S. whites, the reverse is true. The U.S./foreign pairing only makes sense, then; the discrepancies cancel out to some degree. An American man who goes overseas to find a wife does so because he can find a higher quality of lover overseas than he can in the U.S., and these men are desired because these women are able to find a better husband by expanding their horizons. International and interracial dating are win-win.
If WMGAW were seeking to take advantage of women in economic depression, they’d go to miserable villages in the third world, not high-rent districts in Seoul and Budapest where the women they’re chasing, although “merely” middle-class by American material standards, are near the top of their respective societies.
Misconception #3: WMGAW have race fetishes such as “yellow fever”.
Also false. The Columbia study put this one to bed. American women turn out to be far more racist in selection of dating partners than American men are. Which is why white American women propogate such nasty stereotypes when “their men” date women of other races and nationalities; interracial dating benefits only the open-minded. A nerdy, kind, moderately attractive but socially reserved, white “beta”, who wouldn’t have gotten a second look from attractive American girls in college, incites unholy indignation in these women when he is seen with a woman of a different skin color or accent.
Misconception #4: WMGAW “can’t get white women”.
There’s a bit of truth in this. For one thing, foreign women have no interest in American notions of social status, whereby having chased an oblong ball in high school makes one sexy, but having an interest in computers makes one asexual. They don’t respond as strongly to the crass gimmicks (“game”) that work on American yuppies. Finally, for an upper-middle-class Polish or Korean woman to be seen with a “bad boy” below her level of intelligence and couth is just not socially acceptable. So foreign womens’ tastes in men are indeed more (for lack of a better word) cultured than those of American white women.
We, the cultured and intelligent “beta” males, can certainly “get white women”. It’s not exactly hard! On the other hand, we don’t want most of the available ones when we realize how much better we can do by expanding our pool to include other races and nationalities.
Okay. I’m done on this topic for the morning. Let’s pause to hear the shrill cries of the unwanted Sex and the City gorgons before Perseus’s mirrored shield petrifies them into spinsterhood.
Interesting post, Cless. A few thoughts:
“One conclusion: white men and black women should get together in larger numbers than they already do. It just makes sense, and I’ve been saying this for a long time.”
It’s not that simple. Part of the reason that WM/BW pairings are uncommon is because the two groups don’t natively find each other attractive. Black women tend to be more masculine in looks and behavior than women of other races, while white guys aren’t as ultra-masculine as black guys. Additionally, there’s a numbers problem here – there are way more disaffected white men than black women to go around.
“These men often go to countries like the Czech Republic, where women are as feminist as here.”
The Czech Republic is feminist? Crap, I may have to change my travel plans.
“American women turn out to be far more racist in selection of dating partners than American men are.”
I’d argue that women in general are more racially parochial than men.
“We, the cultured and intelligent “beta” males, can certainly “get white women”. It’s not exactly hard! On the other hand, we don’t want most of the available ones when we realize how much better we can do by expanding our pool to include other races and nationalities.”
Very good point. I don’t know if you read Roosh’s blog, but he’s made the point – from personal experience – that American women are far easier to pick up than any other women in the world (with the possible exception of Brits).
One other note that I forgot, in the haze of 4 am insomnia, to include in my reply: when I say that modern Eastern European women are relatively feminist, I mean that they are assertive and demand equality in relationships. I don’t mean that they’ve been corrupted by the overt misandry (alimony-industrial complex, encouragement of female promiscuity) that masquerades as “feminism” in the U.S.
The term feminism means so many different things depending on the person using or interpreting it, that the word itself is fairly useless. Most causes championed by the feminist cause have been desirable and socially just ones, and have been successful enough that it’s no longer considered “feminist” or radical to uphold them– womens’ suffrage, equality in education and the workplace, improvement of a wife’s status from chattel to equal partner, abolition of practices such as dowry, foot-binding, etc. And given how poorly women are treated in most of the world, and have been treated throughout human history, I think we should be very careful not to “throw the baby out with the bathwater” when it comes to discussion of feminism.
I am a 27 y/o affluent white male, common law married to a jamaican 3 time all american track athlete. I have been primarily clueless dating wise and even rather inexperienced (unashamedely) and now have found subtle observations of the great Alpha American male and “hot” blonde female to be a mere joke of what we have. She has given much more affection than I deemed feasible. I thought that living in west texas there would be numerous racial encounters, yet people sometimes stare out of the corner of my eyes in both surprise and envy on occasion. I tend to look at everything as an opportunity only having an effect at my well being, and I am so glad I put those initial racial ackward insecurities aside. Between the nonstop inside jokes, insanely good sex, and ongoing involvement in our lives I have lost much interest in becoming the money hungry s.o.b. I have always been! Let’s just say that people, friends, and family that tried to redirect me initially are involved in what I call: seeing is believing and often use me as a benchmark for a phenomenally healthy relationship . I’ve always had a “fetish” for thick and juicy black women, but that’s just me randomly. She even admits that I have the biggest …… and am the best lover she has ever had. I had to be that being full of the kind of pride that kills. I have forfeited literally over half a million in opportunity cost because of my decisions. Sounds like influence of a racist, right? OBVIOUSLY I wasn’t the racist, but we are still balling with money, fun, ideas, plans, and are going to have a incredibly athletic son (or daughter!) soon. I thought it would be a big deal, but nobody really cares more than a simple glance at you. I’m so happy that the occasional stares are something I would laugh at rolling up some kush with a hundred dollar bill with. Everytime she has threatened to leave me for my piss poor behavior I get on my knees because I couldn’t fatham it getting better than this. Mostly black men I see with white women, but I think what I’m doing is as modern as it gets sociologically speaking. I thought I would get the ugly stares from black men, but it was actually the black women that get the most pissed. I have several black male friends (I’m not a wigger, just athletic) I’m so happy I don’t even care who disagrees. I used to have a ton of guy friends and now its just a few because I simply don’t need them anymore. My point is that if you are a white male that has thought about trying to date a carribean princess, then it’s well worth your effort and good luck!
Yeah, I don’t think I need to post a long reply in response to your insult to black female beauty. I’ll just let these photos shut you up.
Ps, I’ll have you know that black women and white men are the IR power couple right now. We are least likely to divorce, even compared to white couples. In terms of beauty between races, don’t compare your 10s to another races 5’s and 2’s and then declare your race more beautiful. Play on a level playing field, comparing your tens to the tens of other races and THEN judge who’s ten’s trumps all others. You comparing another race’s gutter women to the best of your race and then declaring that the other race of women are unattractive as a whole is like me comparing the best of my men to white trash, then declaring my men superior in beauty.
Ps. I love white guys. You? A guy with your attitude would not be ending up apart of that 44%, with the rest of the black women and white men who are married to one another and have the best marriage success rates in the country.
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No White men and asian women are the powe couples now and into the future.
Black women m and white men are the IR power couple in the USA. Black women and white men are 44% LESS likely to divorce compared to white/white couples.
When we say power couple, we aren’t referring to “most popular couples”. In that case black men and white women would be considered a power couple simply for being most popular, when in actuality they are the absolute worst together. Their divorce statistics state thst blavk men and white women are 200% more likely to end in divorce within or before ten years, compared to white couples… How the hell do you even get 200% more likely to divorce? That’s ridiculous. Meanwhile their counterparts, black women and white men, who ste the least popular, are the best match in the country. Ima need you to Google “interracial divorce rates” before replying to another comment.
“Black women tend to be more masculine in looks and behavior than women of other races”… Black women are hot as hell. (As seen on this facebook page) https://www.facebook.com/damnblackwomenaresexy?fref=ts
But I seriously doubt you’d be able to pull one. To pull a black girl, of which the majority stick to their own, you’d have to be pretty impressive, which I’m sure, you’re not.
U assume he would want one 🙂
Rather a man wants a Lamborghini or not, if he can’t afford it, his desire for one or lack thereof is irrelevant.
I love how you insulted black beauty. So I’m going to shut you up with some photos.
These are the females who have the lowest divorce rates in the country with white men.
Posting the exceptions and not the norm. These aren’t the girls you see that weigh 300 lbs. Plus, I’m willing to bet if these are American girls they are unapproachable or not single .. period.
(This is a response to Ferdinand’s 2:09 post.)
Part of the reason that WM/BW pairings are uncommon is because the two groups don’t natively find each other attractive. Black women tend to be more masculine in looks and behavior than women of other races, while white guys aren’t as ultra-masculine as black guys.
This is true in an aggregate sense, but with racial categories, differences within groups tend to be much larger than differences between them. (This is what sociologists mean when they say race doesn’t exist outside of a “social construct”. No one would argue against the notion that ethnic variations of physical traits exist, but they’re slight compared to within-race diversity.) I also think that culture has more to do with African-American hypermasculinity (which is most severe in the lower classes, and largely only a matter of whites’ perceptions among middle-class blacks) than genetics. Also, many African ethnicities have feminine, slender, and astonishingly gorgeous women. Ethiopians come to mind as an example of this.
Additionally, there’s a numbers problem here – there are way more disaffected white men than black women to go around.
Right. I’m well aware that the numbers don’t match, and that the number of disaffected white men will “spill over”. Many of us are going to have to go overseas if we want a decent wife. On the other hand, there are advantages in dating someone from the same nationality and a similar culture. All else being equal, I’d rather date an educated, middle-class (not ghetto) black woman, a second-generation Asian-American, or the relatively rare acceptable U.S. white girl than a woman who spent her first two decades in a radically different culture and speaks broken English.
From this perspective, middle-class, educated African-Americans are one of the best ethnicities (perhaps, in part, out of a need to differentiate themselves from the repulsive and machismo-ridden “ghetto” culture) in which to find a wife. They tend to be women of faith and culture, with strong values, a deep desire to love, and good tastes in men, but they’re also fully American.
So, if middle-class, educated and attractive black women truly are facing a “marriage squeeze”, why must so many white men go overseas when there are great women here whom the U.S. market has severely underrated?
I agree with everything you said, and thank you for giving BW credit.
I, being a Black Latina…dark, coarse hair, smallish features, and a slim/slender build, have ALWAYS gotten more attention by WM than my White, Asian, “Latin-looking” Latinas and Middle Eastern friends. And they were not all unattractive! So people saying that WM aren’t attracted to us isn’t always true.
What’s true is that they are LESS willing to date a BW over the other ethnicities mentioned above. So many of them hide the fact that they’re even attracted to BW! I have experienced this my ENTIRE life, and I have ALWAYS been ONLY attracted to WM.
THIS is what needs to change, because I know entirely TOO many women of non-Black or White ethnicities who are NOT that educated, cultured, or EVEN attractive who have ZERO problem finding WM who will marry them.
Google “Interracial divorce statistics.” Black women obviously make the best wives in the country. But with racist mindsets like yours and the way you talk down on them, i doubt your’d be able to snag one and be apart of the crowd of black women and white men who are 44% LESS likely to divorce compared to same race white couples(meaning black women and white men do better together than when two whites get together in marriage…. Look up interracial marriage statistics). With an attitude like the one you guys carry, you probably won’t be finding your happily ever after.
Black women and white men are apparently the best match for marriage in our country right now according to interracial divorce statistics. Here are the Interracial marriage divorce statistics in the US. Ima post a chart from a website that posted the statistics. If you want to look them up yourself, just google “interracial divorce rates”
Black women and white men are 44% LESS likely to divorce than same race white couples. This means that black women and white men do better together in marriage and last longer than when two whites marry each other, making them the interracial power couple(black women do better married to white men, than white women do married to their own men). THEN there are Asian females. Asian females and white men are 4% more likely to divorce compared to same race white couples. That’s kind of bad, but you know what? That’s reasonable, and still good compared to the other IR couples. Then there is Asian men and white women. Their divorce rates are 59% more likely to divorce compared to same race white couples! That is REALLY bad, but not compared to the pairing that came in last. Then there is the absolute WORST pairing in our country. This pairing is more likely to tie the knot with each other, but less likely to actually keep the knot tied. Within a marriage span of 10 years(in which these statistics were taken) white women and black men have the HIGHEST divorce rates in the country. Not only compared to same race white couples, being 200% more likely to divorce, but just everyone period. This is by far the worst pairing in the country.
Thank you for not spouting off the absolutist statements that many other men do. All women or white women do not fall under the same category. There are lots of great white women out there who are just as fearful of being hurt by men that are not quality as men are fearful of being hurt by a subpar woman.
I would agree. I have known a few black women, white men marriage pairings. One in particular, the black woman is very charming, tall and slender, beautiful (authentic 7 to 8), a lawyer from a well-ranked law school, and she married a white nerd who is not very tall, kind of chubby, and who was also rather rude to most people and seemed self-entitled.
I could not understand the pairing until I found out that they went to the same college in Wisconsin. A middle class black woman growing up in a white-washed environment was undoubtedly an outcast, and so she found solace with another outcast.
Thank you for this. I grew up in a culture that places a far higher value on men than women and regularly aborts female babies. I would have been toast had ultrasound technologies been more advanced in China’s early 1980s. I came here when I was young and so am half-Americanized. I’m not a hardcore “feminist,” but I very much appreciate the more chivalrous attitudes of western men.
I find myself having much more in common with nerdy men who eschew clubs and sports for computer games and intellectual pursuits. As a result these are the types of men I have dated and fallen for, not any of the supposed “alphas” who are jocks, jerks and players who are interested in physical pleasure alone.
I do not understand why self-professed nerds would actually want to study the “seduction arts,” have sex with a lot of girls who go to bars and clubs, etc. Maybe they had poor upbringing. My fiance knew about “game” when he was in college and categorically rejected it. He never wanted to sleep around and does not find that lifestyle appealing.
This is what he wrote about it:
“I once studied what you refer to as PUA methodology. But it seemed so… how do I describe it. It felt horrible. And the couple times I ‘used’ the techniques I stopped myself short of even kissing because something deep inside of me was telling me it was simply not right. I made a conscious choice that I would rather be alone forever than rely on that garbage to get laid. Thinking about it, very honestly, puts a bad taste in my mouth.”
I do not think you need to go overseas. You do need to look in more unconventional places, not places like bars and clubs. I know some single girls who never go out, live very quiet lives of school and home. They spend all their time online, not on dating sites but mostly just passively reading. It can be very difficult to draw these bookworms out, but there are more of them than you probably notice.
Thank you for not spouting off the absolutist statements that many other men do. All women or white women do not fall under the same category.
These men are not articulate enough to express subtlety, and their judgment is clouded by anger, bringing their impatience with a statistical and demographic problem to inflate itself into a persecution complex. Instead of recognizing the numerical subtlety of the problem and saying, “There’s a shortage of decent women in the U.S.”, they go overboard and conclude, “American women are all sluts and bitches.” PUA philosophy, which treats women as interchangeable vending machines, plays well to this mindset. This victimized attitude is much like “all the good ones are taken”– a ridiculous assertion, but one that feels true given the mind’s tendency to exaggerate frustratingly bad things into full-blown catastrophes.
I think there is a discrepancy, within U.S. whites, between the numbers of marriage-worthy men and women. This discrepancy is magnified as people pair off. Let’s say we have a completely heterosexual society with 1000 men and 1000 women. Of these, 650 men and 600 women are “quality”– they have sufficiently good temperaments and personalities as to be suited for long-term relationships. This isn’t a severe ratio: it’s 13-to-12, or 52/48. However, pairings-off happen, and 500 out of each sex’s “quality” pool is married off and removed from the dating pool. Now there are 150 quality single men and 100 quality single women– a much steeper 3-to-2 ratio. Although our society’s more complex than in that model, this magnification of the ratio actually happens in practice, although which gender is getting screwed depends on ethnicity and age (men are bad-off when young but do well when older, the reverse being true for women; also, until interracial dating becomes more common, white men and black women are moderately screwed, and Asian men are in a really bad situation.)
There are lots of great white women out there who are just as fearful of being hurt by men that are not quality as men are fearful of being hurt by a subpar woman.
Most women have been hurt by bad men, directly or indirectly. Many of them have a close friend who was raped. But it’s not most men who are out behaving badly. A few men are doing a lot of horrible things.
Men and women have very different distributions of (for lack of a better word) evil. In men, the evil tends to be concentrated in a few individuals who are extremely bad. In women, it’s spread out over a larger base of people who are individually less bad.
I find myself having much more in common with nerdy men who eschew clubs and sports for computer games and intellectual pursuits.
That’s great. I’m glad women like you exist. Sadly, there are far too few of you. Within the middle class, black and Asian women tend to be more tolerant of “nerdiness” (which is not the same thing as social ineptitude) than most available white girls are. (White women who like nerds end up “taken” early; there are a lot of quality white nerds available to them.)
I do not understand why self-professed nerds would actually want to study the “seduction arts,” have sex with a lot of girls who go to bars and clubs, etc.
It’s a need for instant gratification. Also, despair plays a role. The main reason for people to eschew casual sex is future-orientation. As a man, I don’t want to end up with a wife who’s had 20 partners, and most chaste women have similar demands of men. If you want to find a soulmate, a high “number” is a detriment, but if you’re pretty sure the “saving angel” will never come, why not have some unscrupulous fun? I think the PUA lifestyle is something loser men use to take the edge off their despair and misery.
I know some single girls who never go out, live very quiet lives of school and home. They spend all their time online, not on dating sites but mostly just passively reading. It can be very difficult to draw these bookworms out, but there are more of them than you probably notice.
Those are often the best girls, and many of them are pretty attractive, too. Do you have advice on how to find them?
I’m going to hit on a related topic in a future post: an idea for a dating site that will actually work (by this, I mean that it will use technology in a novel way to detect high-potential matches that would be very unlikely to form on their own). One of the issues I’ll address is how to draw people onto this site who would usually not sign up for online dating. I tend to write blog posts over the weekend and leak them over the week, so it’ll probably come out early next week.
I do not understand why self-professed nerds would actually want to study the “seduction arts,” have sex with a lot of girls who go to bars and clubs, etc.
I do. Although seduction arts may strike you as heartless and phony, the fact is that seduction arts is about valuable social skills which can benefit a nerd, simply because those skills are genuinely useful even when looking for Ms Right.
“Seduction arts” are heartless and phony, but I’m afraid that you’re right about them being genuine and useful.
Whether you’re looking for Ms. Right or a bar hookup, confidence and social skills are necessary. It used to be the case, however, that a relatively average level of these sufficed in the “long-term” market. You couldn’t be a social dipshit and expect a wife, but you could find a great girl with solidly average social skills. These days, you have to game up in order to have a chance at either.
So “nerdy” men who’d have been happy entering lifelong, monogamous relationships, and who never would have cheated, learn “game” and start hitting the bar scene, which is the easiest place to practice. Eventually, they get a sense of how modern, urban women behave and decide they’d rather be cads than dads.
That’s the problem. Women, even ones who wouldn’t dream of stooping to using the bar scene, now require game. It’s not something they consciously desire, but they’ve become impatient and require “the spark”, immediately. So men learn about this “game” thing that is required, and once they go over to the dark side to learn it, they become anti-marriage misogynists and cads.
Here are the Interracial marriage divorce statistics in the US. Ima post a chart from a website that posted the statistics. If you want to look them up yourself, just google “interracial divorce rates”
Black women and white men are 44% LESS likely to divorce than same race white couples. This means that black women and white men do better together in marriage and last longer than when two whites marry each other, making them the interracial power couple(black women do better married to white men, than white women do married to their own men). THEN there are Asian females. Asian females and white men are 4% more likely to divorce compared to same race white couples. That’s kind of bad, but you know what? That’s reasonable, and still good compared to the other IR couples. Then there is Asian men and white women. Their divorce rates are 59% more likely to divorce compared to same race white couples! That is REALLY bad, but not compared to the pairing that came in last. Then there is the absolute WORST pairing in our country. This pairing is more likely to tie the knot with each other, but less likely to actually keep the knot tied. Within a marriage span of 10 years(in which these statistics were taken) white women and black men have the HIGHEST divorce rates in the country. Not only compared to same race white couples, being 200% more likely to divorce, but just everyone period. This is by far the worst pairing in the country.
Interesting thoughts Cless. I was just over in Finland and Estonia and I can definitely relate to your comment that “foreign womens’ tastes in men are indeed more (for lack of a better word) cultured than those of American white women.” The girls in both countries struck me as not just intelligent, but oddly polite and respectful.
I’m a white guy who likes white girls, and leaving the US is increasingly tempting.
Regarding your example of pairings-off increasing the effective sex ratio… I am 27 years old. In my city, there are 154 unmarried males for every 100 unmarried females in the 25-29 age group. Remember, that’s married, so it doesn’t count people in serious relationships who are de-facto married. If we ignore marital status, the ratio for all people 25-29 is still a shockingly high 135:100.
A best case scenario for men would be that (1) we have pure monogamous assortative mating (no hypergamy, no polygamy) and (2) anyone who’s unmarried is truly “available.” Even under these absurdly generous assumptions…
If we exclude the bottom 20% of the women as being obscenely physically undesirable due to obesity — then a woman at the 20th percentile level of attractiveness will get to pick a guy at (154-100+20)/154 = about the 48 percentile level of attractiveness. Basically, fully half of the guys would be stuck with fat or otherwise strongly undesirable women, or with no women at all. The median guy is probably dating a girl who is borderline between overweight and obese.
Excluding only the bottom 20% of women as extremely undesirable is a pretty low bar. An “average” girl at the 50th percentile attractiveness can match up with a guy at (154-100+50)/154 = 68th percentile.
Granted, 25-29 is the worst age group for the sex ratio here; it starts getting more reasonable quickly past 30. But I’m generally not looking to date 30-year-old women yet. Adding the 22-24 group to the pool also does slightly help the numbers, although not by a ton. If you can start slumming it effectively with the students that’ll help a ton, but I don’t quite have the connections to get me into that scene.
You are going to have to have some pretty major things going for you (be it status, Game, etc.) to win yourself a “9” in this town.
And while a lot of guys like me would say that we’d be perfectly happy with a “cute nerdy girl” who doesn’t need to be “hot”, cute nerdy girls, as you said, have perhaps even more competition for them than hot vapid girls. And then there’s the big question of where you even find them in the first place.
I’ve heard great things about Estonia. I like Hungarian and Polish women a lot. They’re quite smart and sexy, but they’re also really sweet.
Whenever I mention the superiority of foreign women, people always remark that I’m not meeting a random sample. They’re right, of course. When abroad, I’m meeting upper-middle-class, educated women. I’m not meeting those countries’ equivalents of rednecks and gangsters. Nonetheless, the women I meet overseas compare favorably over not just the average American woman, but also over the average educated, upper-middle-class American woman.
What city do you live in? Please inform me, so I never move there. Years ago, I had job offers in the Bay Area, but I’d need an exceptional offer to go because I’m terrified by the gender ratio out there. Competing with Facebook millionaires for every halfway attractive woman… not a good situation. Seattle or Portland, on the other hand, could pull me.
Granted, 25-29 is the worst age group for the sex ratio here; it starts getting more reasonable quickly past 30. But I’m generally not looking to date 30-year-old women yet. Adding the 22-24 group to the pool also does slightly help the numbers, although not by a ton. If you can start slumming it effectively with the students that’ll help a ton, but I don’t quite have the connections to get me into that scene.
On older women: I don’t see much harm in dating someone who is a couple years older than you are, if she’s an attractive woman and she behaved herself when she was young. Many older women are amazing. I think early marriages tend to draw predominantly from the upper-middle, meaning that the average quality of the pool plummets after 25, but the proportion of knock-your-socks-off-amazing women increases a little bit. These are the 30-year-old women who are beautiful, fit, and surprisingly inexperienced– “bookworms” who avoid the bar scene entirely and have only had a couple of boyfriends. Dating one of them, as early as 25-27, is not a bad idea. (The upsides of having a great girl offset the minor negative of her being older, unless you want to have a huge family.) On the other hand, dating an aging “reformed” slut is a terrible idea; who wants sloppy seconds?
On college girls: more importantly, do you want to be in “that scene”? A 21-year-old who’s significantly more mature than average can be a great girlfriend, but who wants to hang around with her college-age friends?
I’ve dated a few Columbia girls. The first time, I thought that maybe I’d be meeting all sorts of interesting people through her. After all, this was an Ivy. Not so much. Student behavior and “interestingness” were no better or worse from that at any other good college. Also, at age 25– I turn 26 next month– I had very little in common with them.
College, as an institution and phase of life, is fairly odd. It’s a fairytale land where everyone’s young and no one has responsibilities beyond a set of courses, most of which are ridiculously easy to complete if you’re not gunning for a high GPA. It would be an ideal place to meet a future spouse but, in 2009, most people of that age are way too immature for that. Now jump to 23-27. New city, fewer friends, working harder. Prime age for “serious” dating and relationships– no rush to get married, but you will if the right person comes along. And there is nothing out there, in an institutional sense, to help you find same-age potential mates. Bars? Give me a fucking break. Coffee shops? It worked in college, but not so much now. Work? “Don’t shit where you eat” is good advice on that one. Online dating? I’ll address this on Friday. You’re entirely on your own when it comes to finding decent mates, and there’s certainly no deliberate, effective way of doing it.
And while a lot of guys like me would say that we’d be perfectly happy with a “cute nerdy girl” who doesn’t need to be “hot”, cute nerdy girls, as you said, have perhaps even more competition for them than hot vapid girls. And then there’s the big question of where you even find them in the first place.
The cute/nerdy girls are great, if you can find them. They tend to be introverts with 10-15 close friends, and therefore not as socially accessible. I actually don’t think there’s nearly as much competition for them as there is for the hot bitches. It’s being highly sought-after that ruins a woman’s (and, equally so, a man’s) personality, after all.
However, the danger in overtly looking for “cute, nerdy” girls is that the bubbly/slutty bitches are great at pretending to the cute/nerdy kind. They put on glasses, get bangs, and dress down. Think of Summer in (500) Days. If the film were presented on chronological order, you might have anticipated the breakup, but you’d never have suspected that such a “classy” girl could run off and get married to an alpha douche so quickly.
Hey Cless. Glad to hear from you, you sound oddly similar to my wingman who I’ve had any number of late-night rambling chats about the dating scene with…
I am actually an ex-Bay Area resident, formerly Santa Clara and San Jose, now in Austin, TX. Aside from the weather, I have little to nothing positive to say about the South Bay. I worked with a lot of smart people there, but they’re all guys, and it’s something of a culture-free zone. Everyone loves San Francisco, but good luck getting up there when you live in the South Bay, and if you live there, good luck with your commute. Of course CA is also obscenely expensive.
There are enough nice things about Austin, but it has its issues as well. The summer is obscenely hot, but the other 9-10 months are fine. As I said, it has a severe gender imbalance. The numbers I pulled are from Census data for the city proper. They look slightly better if you look at the whole metro area, but girls from Round Rock and Cedar Park don’t come to the bars downtown (it’s not clear how you would ever meet those girls). I have them handy, so let me throw out some numbers for the 25-29 age group for a bunch of cities. First number is for everyone, second number is for unmarried.
Austin/Round Rock MSA: 121:100, 139:100
City of Austin: 135:100, 154:100
San Jose/Sunnyvale/Santa Clara MSA: 121:100, 157:100
City of SF: 104:100, 113:100
City of NYC: 96:100, 104:100
It was a bit of a shocker for me to see these numbers — I didn’t bother to look them up until just recently. The South Bay is legendary as as sausage fests go, and I didn’t realize Austin had gotten nearly as bad. I assume it’s simply to be expected for a tech hub. UT is also anywhere near as gender-lopsided as a lot of state schools; I believe it’s only 52% female. I guess that still beats my school, which was 60% male.
None of this makes it impossible… but I doubt that this is the most effective place for me to seek out a smart, attractive, sane woman. Even before you get into cultural differences, Europe starts with the HUGE advantage of vastly lower obesity. In Finland and Estonia, I would only have to rule out a tiny percentage of young women as being too unattractive to consider dating. In the US, if I insist on a white girl who’s not overweight or obese, I’ve already cut down the pool quite substantially.
One of my friends is trying to sell me on moving to NYC. I’m not quite ready to take a step like that, but I’m certainly thinking about my options. I have a pretty deep ideological hatred of taxes (damn liberals trying to take my money to prop up their immoral welfare state), so for me to even *consider* NYC is a bit amazing. But if I’m willing to consider living outside the US then there are other options too. Switzerland anyone??
Competing with Facebook millionaires for every halfway attractive woman…
I wouldn’t worry about them being millionaires. I’m a millionaire and it doesn’t seem to matter one way or the other to young women. If they’re screening guys for money, I’m not aware of it. They’re looking for fun. They’d probably rather date a broke pedicab driver than a guy with a stable but sleep-inducing-to-women job like me. Who needs a sugar daddy when your parents pay for your iPhone bill?
I don’t see much harm in dating someone who is a couple years older than you are, if she’s an attractive woman and she behaved herself when she was young.
I absolutely have no problem with that, should the opportunity arise. So far it mostly hasn’t — most of the girls I meet are probably 22-28.
[College] would be an ideal place to meet a future spouse
Unfortunately, I blew the opportunity to use college to gain dating experience — I didn’t even start dating until about age 23 (I graduated at age 20), and was a virgin to 24. I was an extremely dorky kid and spent my childhood in front of the computer rather than doing sports and social activities. Probably Asperger’s.
Now jump to 23-27. New city, fewer friends, working harder.
There are quite a few UT alums who stick around here in Austin. A large percentage of the girls I’ve met are UT grads. The guys who stay all have their old college buddies and don’t have to build new social networks. I’ve been here 2 years and I still don’t get nearly any party invites.
Work? “Don’t shit where you eat” is good advice on that one.
If it were even an option! The software and hardware engineers I’ve worked with are over 95% male.
I was just over in Finland and Estonia and I can definitely relate to your comment that “foreign womens’ tastes in men are indeed more (for lack of a better word) cultured than those of American white women.”
As a native of Finland, I can only laugh heartily at this.
I’m guessing that Finnish women are probably better than urban, American white women. That’s not saying much.
I’d guess that the quality in Scandinavia is similar to that in Canada. Canada is a rich country but not as corrupted, in this regard, as the U.S. It’s not as good as E. Europe or Asia, though.
I’m guessing that Finnish women are probably better than urban, American white women. That’s not saying much.
I think you are guessing wrong. All bad things you say about American women basically apply to Finnish women. Considering just how mainstream feminism (by which I mean the cherry-picking variety: “men and women are equal, but a woman has the Holy Right to be pampered) is in this country, I would say that Finnish women are more American than the American ones. (And more ugly, too.)
Exactly. But then why do men who have had tons of partners then go on and on about how there are no “chaste” women? Is it perhaps because those women do not want to associate with them, or is it because those women do not exist?
Yes. A guy who has been around the block too much is not “quality” either, contrary to the assertion that “alpha” males are those who sleep around a ton. The disease factor notwithstanding, the guy is probably not able to actually form a sexual pair bond anymore.
Introverts have very few close friends. I can’t possibly imagine having 10-15 “close” friends. That would be way too much socializing for a true introvert. I have one best friend, and 2-3 closer friends. The rest are coworkers, acquaintances, or people I know online and know a few things about me but who do not really “know” me.
Hypocrisy. It shouldn’t surprise you that “high-number” men have these sorts of attitudes, given their incredible narcissism.
Sadly, chaste women get hard to find after a certain age. The problem is imperfect information. Usually, you have to be involved with someone before that person is comfortable discussing history. This means that you can waste a month or two dating someone, only to find out that this person has had 10+ partners.
Also unfortunately, there are many chaste women who waste their love and energy on caddish men. They want to “convert” the bad-boy. This never works. Bad boys are (no surprise) bad human beings.
I agree with you fully. This is the major concern raised by a large number of partners. It’s not jealousy, and it’s certainly not misogyny, seeing as I live up to the same standard I expect my future wife to meet. It’s the inability of promiscuous people to pair-bond that is the problem.
Not all men, just the ones who are prone to going to the dark side already. It is a choice. It is always a choice.
Going back to what you said about “bad human beings” — I noticed that the western culture has turned from the old days of celebrating the Protestant work ethic and the “good” to lauding greediness and selfishness, and glorifying the “bad.”
Look at pop culture. Good heroes and boy scout figures are nowhere to be seen though they were extremely popular less than two generations ago. The Superman movie was “disappointing” in box office returns, and so the Superman franchise was put on hold.
It’s now all about darkness, like Twilight with the “cool” vampire. There’s tons of Twilight merchandise, and even little kids love it. That franchise is getting a few sequels at least. The good are made fun of as “wimpy,” “gay” or like “rainbow unicorns,” as opposed to the way traditionally the good was viewed as strong and willful.
The force of darkness is certainly strong these days.
“If WMGAW were seeking to take advantage of women in economic depression, they’d go to miserable villages in the third world, not high-rent districts in Seoul and Budapest where the women they’re chasing, although “merely” middle-class by American material standards, are near the top of their respective societies.”
I don’t quite know do you Americans date different Eastern European girls but that happens a LOT. I mean girl seeking Western European/American male for his larger income and for a chance to move to west. Not all, of course, but man should be careful about how he meets the girl and about the “hotness” of the girl in overall. Russian and Ukrainian hot girl really know they’re hot and know how to use it. So if you are, say, guy in your 40s and you get yourself one hot Ukrainian chick in mid 20s – that will most likely end badly.
My mother has translated lots of divorce docs for such couples. Young Russian/Ukrainian girl has married a lot older Western european guy, lived couple of yours in the country of a husband and acquired a permit to stay. So husband can go.
I’m not discouraging Western men to date Eastern European women at all. I’m myself an offspring of such a marriage and it was a love union of equals. Just saying that be careful.
“In most cultures, men are inferior (i.e. they have worse moral character and behavior) to women, creating a surplus of desirable and good women.”
With this I agree. I’ve heard many Eastern European girls mock men of their country and praise Western men for their behavior – and usually they ended up dating Western men.
“One other note that I forgot, in the haze of 4 am insomnia, to include in my reply: when I say that modern Eastern European women are relatively feminist, I mean that they are assertive and demand equality in relationships.”
Umm… No, actually they don’t. Like, here a guy is expected to pay for his date (I’m living in Ukraine currently). It is so deep rooted in this culture that if I’m out with my male friend, waiter will bring one single bill – to him. Without asking anything. Hot girls expect men to bring presents and spoil them and feel not ashamed to live in guys apartment not paying any rent what so ever or letting guy to financially support them.
Of course in that sense women here are equal that they have power in home – home is a kingdom of Ukrainian lady and she has final word there. Man, beware.
Again, this does not apply to all Ukrainian women, naturally. But I would say that it’s more widespread here than in my country, e.g.
“They tend to be introverts with 10-15 close friends, and therefore not as socially accessible. ”
Who-hoa. Introvert has a 10-15 close friends?! I must be superintrovert then – having even 8 close friends is a completely absurd idea for me. I think I have 5 or 6 and even that is a lot… You Americans really are social animals. 😛
I’ve heard many Eastern European girls mock men of their country and praise Western men for their behavior – and usually they ended up dating Western men.
This is because alcoholism is so rife in ex-Soviet Union and several other Eastern European countries. I have studied Polish and Russian – I am fluent in Polish, but my Russian is rather bad – and I have thus visited the countries involved. Russian alcoholism is simply something not from this world. Russia reminded me of Opar in the Tarzan stories of my childhood – gorgeous women living with men gone simian with alcoholism.
What are your thoughts on Poland? I love Polish women. I dated a Polish-American girl for two years, whose parents were both born abroad. She was gorgeous, smart, and funny– not “funny for a girl” but actually funny. Poland is definitely on my short list of countries to visit if I’m single at 32.
I thought I was going to marry her one day, but her American side (she was 21, and had the maturity level of a 18-year-old) was the undoing of our relationship. Still, she’s a wonderful person and I miss her. Maybe I’ll run into her again when she’s 25 or so.
I do like how Hope is over here whining about how all Game is the “dark side”. I’d also like to know which particular philosophy of game was being expoused by this boyfriend of hers. I’m into a mixture of Mystery and Mode One and I don’t see anything inherently deceptive in it.
By her twisted metric one might as well ban Cosmo too.
Clarence, you realize that the blog host here, the one whom I responded to, mentioned specifically a type of men who, I quote: “go over to the dark side to learn it, [and] become anti-marriage misogynists and cads.”
My boyfriend was exposed to game via his more negative friends (guy friends who used him financially) back in college. He rejected it because he didn’t want to pick up women. Neither he nor I “whine” about game. We know it for what it is, and we see its purpose.
I do think that Cosmo is yet another facet of the pervasive status worship and social masking that this society engages in en masse. It teaches women to put on a mask, literally via applying thick layers of makeup, and transform themselves into modern “princesses” waiting for their “prince.”
He and I are both aware of the “negative” influences in modern culture, and we reject them personally. Incidentally, he has cautioned me not to “preach” about positivity and the light too much around others, as this tends to invite those wish to discredit and insult those who strive to be good. As is happening now.
Get over yourself! Good God!
The critique is not of “game” itself. The critique is when the “cads” use game and psycho-social dominance to engage in lots of casual sex, and when others see this behavior as worthy to emulate and aspire to bed as many “hotties” as possible, while claiming that all women are horrible, immoral and childish, sometimes with the claim that manipulating and controlling a woman is what women really want.
This is the same critique many men have brought up time and time again.
In this, I also hold women responsible. Many women today are attracted to the “dark” and “bad” boys. Hence I brought up the Twilight example above — many young girls are drooling over some fictional vampire who, historically, represented the very essence of evil. Today, evil is sexy. Bad is good. Everything is all muddled.
Ok, Hope.
Thanks for a reasoned response. Sorry if your first few posts led me to believe that due to your bad experience with Roissy you felt no game could ever be used appropriately. I’m not about to claim game can’t be misused, and while I’m not against casual sex per se and I’ll take the bangs if I can get them, I am trying to be honest, “leave them better than when they met you” and eventually segue into a relationship. I even hope to get married, but I might not – it is a crapshoot these days with, in my opinion a good 7 to ten percent chance to end so unhappily I’d end up wishing to put a gun to my head or hers and maybe end up in jail for not paying exorbitant CS or something. So I’m really afraid I can’t critique Roissy, as an example for being so negative about it and advising men not to do it. It’s a sick society we live in the USA, if men choose to P&D who am I to complain about them if they don’t rape or mislead while doing it?
Of course that does leave me free to critique some aspects of game philosophies and techniques and you may find me on your side from time to time.
What is Hope’s “bad experience with Roissy”?
I have mixed feelings about Roissy. He’s a brutal “realist” to the point of severe reductionism, and he comes off as an asshat, but I also think he’s much more tongue-in-cheek than people realize. He’s an entertainer. I bet he only half-believes most of the things he is typing, and he probably runs a “schtick” character on AutoAdmit.
I’m a realist about game. It succeeds on its own terms, which means it will never go away as long as there is this culture of casual sex, combat dating, and the demand for instant gratification (both in terms of men expecting sex too soon, and women rejecting men if they aren’t swept off their feet immediately). We’d need a entirely new paradigm for relations between the genders to make game disappear. However, I don’t think there’s anything more natural about this shitty paradigm than the more civilized ones that it replaced, so I consider that possible.
Game leads to a misogyny loop, and it’s an “attractor” for that pattern. The women who respond to it are slutty, childish, and stupid. So men who use game turn into misogynists due to their interactions with these women. Being even more misogynistic, they gradually lose hope for a loving relationship and their desire for unattached sex increases, so they learn more game. Repeat cycle. However, combat dating is so pervasive that, even for a man who’s not yet heard of game, he’s likely to have negative experiences and be leaning toward misogyny already. When he discovers game and its philosophy– a quasi-religion that explains the sources of his misfortunes– the loop begins.
Cless:
I respectfully disagree with some of what you’ve said.
There are elements of “combat dating” in just about every dating culture that has ever existed. Because of this, I believe that game is a reaction to what results when women are totally emancipated from their biological (fear of reproduction or disease) and social constraints and are free to pursue what the majority of them really value in men. Some men, the alphas and the unapolegetically commitment phobic love this kind of dating system and so will have natural incentives to try to keep it going. The rest of the men, and a minority of women who for socialization or hormonal reasons don’t like the hypergamy are stuck with it and forced to adapt or be alone.
As for Roissy, I know a person who knows him in person as they both work in DC around the same area. I can assure you that Roissy believes most of his political and game philosophies though he does love to exaggerate at times esp when it infuriates or otherwise gets reactions from readers of the female persuasion. Yes, he exaggerates. Yes, he loves to titilate and infuriate. Yes, he has fun blogging. But no, he r/l does not wish to get married and does not recommend other men doing so.
Speaking of marriage, I can’t recommend it either, though I will probably eventually go for the crapshoot myself. This is despite the legal issues involved with no fault divorce. I was an MRA since I discovered the movement on the internet somewhere around 2000 to 2001. I didn’t discover PUA until about 3 years ago, and I didn’t start hanging out with game proponents or studying it until about 1 year ago, iwth the exception of a close friend. Thus I came to it with a fairly open pair of eyes as to what the legal and social realities already are for men, but it’s only recently that such perspectives started to hit multiple blogs. Roissy’s was among the first to tie the two together (Though some of the MGTOW forums have been discussing game and PUA for years, MGTOW is a very small and uninfluential subset of MRA /fathers rights.) and I have to give him props for that.
I’m not sure some of the misogyny isn’t deserved: the vast majority of young women are perfectly happy with things as they are , though that may change if they are informed of some of the consequences of following only their instincts such as loss of a good chance to have a family. I do try to educate the young women I get to know about their fertility peaks and how they should deal with boyfriends in an honest way that benefits both parties. For instance, a young woman today was telling me she likes to be spanked, but her boyfriend is a very shy brainy type and she was afraid she’d scare him away. I suggested she deal with it now, rather than later (things can fester) but that she might want to try to make it playful and fun and see how he reacts.
Anyway you’ll find no argument from me that some game tactics aren’t misused nor that a life of pumping and dumping ultimately isn’t a very satisfying way to live. I merely think besides being too hard on both the men and women involved in the so called “Combat dating” you underestimate the difficulty from a societal standpoint that would accrue to trying to change it. It would require placing limits on the sexuality of both men and women. This would be resisted by both, but more so the young women who would have far more to lose, and have far more power to resist you. And you’d need to have some carrots to go along with those sticks. Good luck with that. I prefer to work with one individual at a time. At worst, I may have to find a “diamond in the rough” like Hope.
As for Hope’s issues at Roissy’s I think you should ask her. She may tell you if it is not too painful for her. I honestly wish I’d not mentioned it, but I assumed everyone knew, and also that it explained her seemingly dismissive attitude towards any type of game. I am trying to run game using systems and tactics that emphasize honesty, and that hurt, so of course I assumed her problem was with Roissy and his merry band of commenters.
You’re right that there’s some combat dating in every culture, because every society has some really bad, narcissistic people in it. I disagree that it’s necessary or natural for a majority of women to have infantile tastes in men. I think it’s an artifact of our culture, and totally mutable.
Not wanting to get married is not an extreme position. Many of the things that Roissy says are over-the-top offensive, but also very amusing. I have no problem with this. He needs to be offensive in order to get people to wake the fuck up. He also allows me to position myself a moderate, as I advocate restoration of balance and gender equality.
I agree that some of the misogyny is deserved. There are more bad women than bad men in this country. In our society, men are (on average) better people. It doesn’t have to be that way, but it’s the way things are now.
I think a lot of women are very unhappy with the current arrangement. If nothing else, the female gender has an “alpha” problem too, of a different sort. “Nice girls” are often afraid to ask men out, never having done it, and being subtly socialized not to do it (“if he likes you, he’ll come your way”). The problem is that mens’ approach patterns are quite lopsided. A “7” is as good, for a long-term relationship as a “9”– at this level of attractiveness, personality matters a lot more– but the “9” will be approached 10 times as often. Women discover this as soon as they hit 28 and discover that, even though their looks have only changed subtly, the quantity of male attention shoveled their way hasn’t dropped by 5 or 10%, but by 90%. If women were more comfortable approaching men, getting hit on rarely wouldn’t be a problem, but most of them are not.
A system that discourages women from approaching men is patently ridiculous, because of this lopsidedness that men exhibit even against their own interests. Men rate equivalent blondes and brunettes as of equal attractiveness when judging women as long-term partners, but blondes are approached 3 times as often at bars. Black women, although many are very attractive, are rarely approached by white men– white guys have no problem dating and marrying black women, but are afraid to approach them.
Women have a nasty alpha problem, too. The difference is that theirs is remediable. The “beta” women, who are often very attractive but not as often approached, can be more assertive, and go after the high betas who are just as good as the alphas, but lack “game”. Everyone wins, except the alpha-pigs who find it harder to chow down on confused betas.
I believe that it will be very difficult.
I advocate this, even through legal means. Having sex with more than one person within a 72-hour period should be a jailable offense. An exception will be made for “swingers”; if the significant other signs a consent form at least two months in advance, open relationships would be allowed. I also think that misbehaving, promiscuous men should be placed on an alpha-male registry for a period of two years, and that women who sleep with them should be imprisoned and re-educated. I’m willing to tolerate this limited loss of freedom to prevent reversion to the sheer hell of strong-man polygamy.
Where do you find them? In my experience, they’re very rare.
A bit extra:
I meant Hope’s attitude towards “game” users hurt..or at least what I thought her attitude was. Heck, even naturals use game somewhat without realizing it. It would be easy to make a list of PUA tactics and say “ahah that guy is using a “neg”! Obvious pickup artist, BOO!”. But one might be wrong about that assumption, as one could be wrong that all men using game are only out to score.
My attitude is much more nuanced than that, but nuance takes a lot of words, and few wants to read a wall of text.
To summarize, most people know how to tease others playfully and use the tenets of “game” without the manipulative aspects. There’s nothing inherently wrong with being social with others. There’s are positive ways to use something, and more negative ways.
Take fire — what is it in itself? No value judgment; it is neutral. Making a fire to warm yourself and others in the freezing outdoors is a good thing, and positive. Setting fire to a house is arson, and negative.
I’d been reading since mid 2007, and at first the blog was more reasonable in tone with more polite comments. As time went on things became more and more negative.
I’ve never deliberately attempted to insult, berate or make ad hominem attacks on the other commenters on any of the blogs or forums in which I’ve been participating. The same cannot be said of others towards me.
Welmer in particular made a few remarks about how I’m such a horrible woman and that no Chinese guy would want me, etc. Likely projection on his part due to his bad experiences with his cheerleader type ex-wife, and I do somewhat understand he gets stressed about his children and divorce. But taking such anger out on random people online is beyond the pale.
When I mentioned my changing views towards the negativity of the blog and its participants (because previously I had been more agreeable and either did not say much or asked questions in a more subdued manner), Roissy threatened to write a post about me based on my old comments that would prove how typical and horrible I am. In essence he planned to “eviscerate” and publicly shame me. In a fit of “mercy” as he put it himself, he decided not to write it.
So why should I be so masochistic as to hang around people who want to insult me for fun? Hence, I stopped.
I agree with your reasoning, Hope.
Roissy is a better person r/l than most suspect, but on his blog his ugly side comes out more. He has to be the Alpha on there, I guess, and so he’ll play unfair sometimes just to prove a point. I don’t know if he’ll also play unfair just for the heck of it, but let me say that threatening you like that was wrong and insofar as that was what he was doing or thats what you thought he was doing you’ve done the right thing. No need to go someplace to be insulted. Sorry I brought it up, really thought it was sorta common knowledge around these blogs. You have my apology.
No problem. I am not that sensitive. I have been online since I was 12. In over 13 years I have seen all manners of nastiness and rudeness, both directed at me and at others. My mistake was in thinking that I could try to to move past their negativity, their loathing and distrust by talking about how things can be good. Frankly I should have expected it; two years ago I would have been just as stubbornly against the idea.
Most people are decent and nice, but a sizable portion of them like to taunt and make fun of others, blow their egos up to enormous proportions, and be generally insulting and rude. Men and women both do this. Internet anonymity allows a small but significant minority’s cruel streak to really shine. 4channers’ antics are somewhat amusing to a bystander, but their victims probably aren’t laughing.
P.S. My grammar in my latest posts have been atrocious. Oops.
If women were more comfortable approaching men, getting hit on rarely wouldn’t be a problem, but most of them are not.
A system that discourages women from approaching men is patently ridiculous,
Eh, it’s not really social discouragement, but bad experiences that discourage this. The “male pursuit dynamic” is preferred by women because it is one sure-fire way to gauge genuine male interest. That is, there are more than a few men who will say “yes” if approached by a woman, even if they are so/so interested, because (1) better than nothing (a big issue, given the dry spells people go through today), (2) a chance at sex or other quasi-sexual physical affection. There are women who have done this, and reported that the relationships were very difficult, because the guys were just along for the ride, if you will.
Of course, some women behave that way, too. Some women, at least, will go out with guys that they are not very interested in because it’s a date. But it’s far less common among women than among men, because attractive women have fewer, if any, dry spells than men do, and so are more likely to reject advances from men they are not interested in than men are.
The bottom line reason here: women are more discriminating than men are when it comes to dating and so on. If they take the initiative, they are running the risk that the guy is not that interested, because his acceptance of their approach could simply reflect his relatively lower level of discrimination. In addition, women (good, bad or otherwise) *like* men who take initiative, and so on — > in itself that is a very attractive trait in men. That also undermines the interest women have in approaching, because if they are the ones doing the approaching, they cannot screen for that initiative taking ability.
It’s true that the male approach is lopsided. I think that the reason for that is that most men do not particularly like being rejected, and if they are risking rejection they may as well shoot high — that is, the small chance of succeeding with a high target seems to justify the large risk of being rejected. Of course, another way of looking at that is to say that it is better to run the smaller risk of rejection in exchange for a somewhat higher chance of succeeding. I think, though, that since rejection is so commonplace, the perceived smaller risk of rejection is not considered to be big enough to justify aiming lower and *still* being rejected. In all, here is where Game can be helpful to men, because it can get them much more comfortable with the idea that 90% of the time you are going to be rejected, and that this is not a big deal — and that you need to focus on the 10% that is working and simply forget about the 90% that isn’t, realizing that, as a male, you are supposed to get rejected most of the time –> that is the way human mating works.
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excellent post – and spot-on. I think that, increasingly, men in our culture are going to forego marriage because the women here are just not that attractive: i have said it many times, but women in our society are pathologically selfish by nature and very solipsistic; they blame their partners for everything, are exceedingly manipulative, and just not trust-worthy. Most guys in north america simply cannot trust the well-educated white females you meet at your typical university: these are the kinds of women who are always looking at what loopholes exist in the divorce laws, who are looking at how they might be able to accuse a man of rape, and they are always the ones scheming to see how they use the children as pawns against their spouse; they are also very narcissistic and self-absorbed and their needs always take precedence. Basically, most white women in our society are like the worst kind of men. What i think we need to do, as men, is to remind other men in other cultures of what these women represent so that they can avoid the misery we must endure if we fall into a relationship with one of them.
I’ve travelled alot, had boyfriends from a few different continents, and can say the same holds for American guys.
They lack the culture, class, charm, subtlety and romanticism of many MANY foreign guys.
I ended up marrying a foreigner and never looked back.
@Ferdinand Bardamu:
>black women tend to be more masculine in looks and behavior than women of other races, while white guys aren’t as ultra-masculine as black guys.
black women are far more aggressive than white women. numerous studies reveal that black women are substantially more abusive than black men (or than white men or white women, for that matter). As a white guy I certainly don’t have any inherent objection to dating a black woman (or a woman of any race), I certainly am not going to tolerate abuse from any woman.
Sources:
*Clark, M. L., Beckett, J., Wells, M., & Dungee-Anderson, D. (1994). Courtship Violence among African-American college students. Journal of Black Psychology, 20 (3), 264-281. (found that more black men than women, 41% vs. 33%, have been physically abused by a dating/romantic partner)
*Hampton, R. L., Gelles, R. J., & Harrop, J. W. (1989). Is violence in families increasing? A comparison of 1975 and 1985 National Survey rates. Journal of Marriage and the Family, 51, 969-980. (a sub-section on African Americans found that in the decade in question, severe physical abuse of wives by husbands had dropped by 43% but that the rate of severe physical abuse of husbands by wives had increased by 42%)
*Holt, M. K, & Espelange, D. L. (2005). Social support as a moderator between dating violence victimization and depression/anxiety among African American and Caucasian adolescents. School Psychology Review, 14, 309-328. (found that African Americans had higher rates of interpersonal violence than whites, and that more black men were victimized by black women than vice versa — 43% vs. 32%)
*Titterington, V. B., & Harper, L. (2005). Women as the aggressors in intimate partner homicide in Houston, 1980s to 1990s. Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, 41 (4) 83-98. (found that “black women were equally (or more) likely than black men to be the perpetrators of intimate domestic homicide…”)
Amen brother. Thanks for posting this article.
Everything you said is true and unfortunate. However, your voice, like a cultured American woman, is like a candle burning in a hurricane. The seed of America’s ignorant future generation has already been sewed during alcohol induced, one-night-stands across the nation. I hope you have an exit strategy.
As a white man married to an asian american female for 8 years I must tell you that my wife is a modern woman and not submissive. I am married to not only the woman I love but also my soul mate, she is highly educated, a professional in the medical field and also the mother of my kids. I years ago date white girls and I like some of them but the ones I see today are disgusting to be around, foul mouthed and nasty. Men can date whoever they wish but white women have really declined in class and manners today.
Mixing with proto-humans is a shameful tact that derides 150000 years of evolution and decreases the size and complexity of said progeny’s frontal cortex, the are of the brain responsible for humanistic thought. You want to knock your offsprings I.Q. down a deviation or two? You are surely misinformed to believe we are all equal.
P.S. Once you go black we don’t want you back.
Before you try it, let me guess, I’m ignorant, racist, etc. Ad Homonym. We all know black people can’t generally compete with other races intellectually like we can’t generally compete in a footrace. Skip the nonsense, accept it as self evident, accept that its unfair to force tribal people into cultured civilization and understand why ghettos exist. Then love yourself and stick to your own kind.
Progenitor,
It is obvious that you haven’t traveled much. Or learned much. If you did, you would understand that the presence or absence of melanin in your skin has absolutely nothing to do with the level of your intelligence.
Can you cite any scientific papers showing that the interracial union between whites and blacks result in kids with less than optimal frontal cortex? I thought as much. You can’t. It’s all a myth, passed down from similarly uninformed people throughout generations.
Again, you really are not very well informed. Incidentally, one of the best and world renowned neurosurgeons that this country has ever produced happens to be a black man. See Ben Carson’s website at Johns Hopkins: http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/neurology_neurosurgery/experts/profiles/team_member_profile/E83A85D46351E25BE722939B61854C65/Benjamin_Carson
A person of any race can travel to any part of Africa, Asia and South America and experience no hostility directed towards them. In fact in some of these areas they will be welcomed and readily accepted. A person of color on the other hand would be wise not to visit some areas if they travel to Russia, Germany, Ukraine, Poland and even some parts of the U.S and Canada that are occupied by racist white people. And you are the ones with the bigger brains?
If you look at the typical poor Walmart working American single mom who gets WICK and all the other state subtleties a typical American woman receives. She is just a little above the same level in real monetary terms most third world women are on, take away all the state subsidies and American women fall well into the mean in real income as a lot of the third world. So us guys going abroad are often trading up in real adjusted monetary terms depending on where we go and who we choose.
This is a very interesting post indeed with some very relevant points… however I would like to clarify some points…
…being an alpha male doesn’t mean being an athletic idiot anymore.
It’s the attitude towards life, the “thinking outside the box”, the confidence and determination to go where he wants and not fearing the risks nor what people think(among other points) which defines the new breed of alpha males.
I certainly have much more women to pick from when compared to a beta male(or a wuss), but I nevertheless take pride and feel much more at ease spending my time with a highly intelligent, classy ambitious and successful woman.
Amazing women have nothing to prove, so they don’t mind embracing their feminine and slightly submissive side when they are involved with an alpha male.
The aggressive brainless hunk and the dumb sexy blonde NO MORE defines the notion of an alpha male.
and so what happens when ‘white men’ breed with these monkey people and soon enough white men are a thing of the past? If you look at race mixing, one thing is clear; the cream does NOT rise to the top, breed with a black woman and your children look negroid – breed with an asian woman and your children look mongoloid-‘white people’ as you call them comprise less than 6% of the planet’s population, by 2030, less than 2% – you see where this is going – the degenerate racs cannot tie a fucking knot in it to save their own lives, what makes you think white men are so desperate and stupid as to promote their own genocide? If I am to marry and breed, I will be doing it within my own species, you are a vaginized moron, a product of the feminization you hold so high and NO, feminism is not international and NO it has not done great things, it has only ruined women, they have merely sacrificed their feminunuty to be bitchy catty whores and I can’t see that as a good thing
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Why men go for Asian women these days. I think Asian women are stunning. Each Asian woman is different. Asian women seeking Western men is popular in this modern era.
I agree, a lot of Asian modern girls are well educated and very successful. Men of quality want high class quality women. All the insults in the world will not stop Asian high class girls from quality high class American men. Get used to it.
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There are a lot of technical dialogue above and since I can’t evaluate from that POV, I am going to stick to my little common sense and narrow eye wide.
I find the lack of patience and understanding for men in women as the major reason that stop them from breeding together in english speaking societies. Traditionally women had patience, but now they have not. They have understanding for they own desires and wants, but not the understanding for need in men in search of that lifelong friends. Current trend has fastfood, career, education, entertainment and coolness holding women attention and preference boxes, and none of those qualities has got to do with patience, harmony and understanding for the opposite gender.
Before an average single woman with a job knows it, she could be 35 and single, or she has had so many relationships in the past that is not easy to give into someone as she is already set in her own way of life. If you are the kind of women I happen to be talking about here, your life goal for finding that soul mate to parent a child with would die for any reasons out of millions, most likely caused by the lack of patience for another human being or lack of understand for men.
Why do men get women from other cultures? Because of disappointment and rejection, plenty of those is available for men in their 20s and that have enough men to figure out seeking partner from afar with their progressive mentality. The women in the same culture on the other hand, are stuck in their traditionally passive mentality and live the romance part of life in denial for unnecessary expectations of their own.
It is not the fault of feminism, rather is the hatred for male’s nature and silly revenge in the practice of feminism that stop people from forming families.
Women enjoy the pros of gender equality, but rarely live the cons of it. That is what stopping white men and women making children and the race is dropping in global ratio. There is no fix to that, is a natural process, suck it up. As no revolution can teach people to be wiser and more patience, it takes a different way of life to encourage family forming, something that filmmakers and entertainer in the west can never do.
The women from afar are not better, just as human nature is the same. However they are just slightly more patience and less likely to carry out revenge in the form of nasty divorce and shaming in the eyes of those men who get them from afar. Of course, they are not packed with rejection for the whitemen whom any average white women easily discard or reluctant to keep for life.
There you have it, my questionable POV from an immigrant in Australia. I welcome rational criticism.
I am a woman of color from Latin America, 27 years old and I am educated. I have decided to stick to the topic since it is speaking about interracial dating. In Latin America most guys don’t care about race as long as you are attractive. I found that to be true in Europeans countries as well. Ever since I came to this country it seemed like it was such a huge issue. I honestly think some American white guys can be pretty races, sensitive, immature and indecisive . I believe due to the history of this country Blacks and White Americans have not resolve the issue of unity. It is so sad for me to have felt as it I was part of their racial problems. Stereotypically they would like at me and think I was African American. I have faced discrimination believe or not for my skin color. I don’t consider my self to be violent and yes I am black. I consider my self pretty attractive and have dated only within my culture (Latin American culture)however I have always being attracted to white American guys. I have talked to one or two however for some reason I find it weird how they don’t tend to be attentive, romantic and caring. Probably not all of them are like that, yet the ones I have met tend to be rather selfish. Overall I hope one day they learn from third world countries, men look at you as a girl, a human being and not racially, just as a girl. May God help this country with this issue.
I applaud you for your thoughtful investigation of this issue. As a black woman I’m so disappointed in the knee jerk attraction to white standards of beauty that so many black men express both in words and action. Most black people don’t understand how conditioned they are by being engulfed in this culture. The reverse white men black women does demonstrate more free thought. To Ferdinand perhaps black women are not more masculine but a different type of feminine. A broader more inclusive look at all women is neccessary and for men too–ask Asian, They have complained about being abandoned by Asian women because of the same kind of cultural brainwashing.
Good article. Thoughtful comments.
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Excellent article. I especially liked the section where it said that upper class foreign women would not touch a Bad Boy. I have noticed this . They are not drawn to these guys the way American women are. I have been amazed that many American women squander their 20’s with Bad Boys who will never comit to them while rejecting decent guys in droves.
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Another faux blog run by some Jewthink bot bashing American White Women. The link above is an oldie but goodie from some self-masturbatory doucheball who goes by the name “Cless Alvein”. This little worm with his pubes for hair and a pickle nose is probably getting paid by Isra-hell to run some anti White Woman and overall Anti White blog to stir the tide of White Genocide. Yet another little keyboard warrior, not like these little pussy cowards come out in the daylight as they have no honor, trying to create the false narrative and upkeep the bogus narratives out there cranked out by the Jew Spew Media.
This guy bemoans the state of White Women in the USA. Compares us to groids. Cranks out false narratives. I really do not need to go on do I?
Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.
If this guy is not getting laid, maybe it is because he has a name like Cless. I do not believe he has a White Mother as he claims because I do not believe any sane White Mom out there would name her kid Cless. Anyway, Alvein sounds pretty Jewish to me so right there he is not remotely European or a Watered Down White.
Nope. Sorrry Mr. Alvein. You are a Jew or a paid Jewthink Bot manning an Anti White blog. You are not white or European so you do not get to speak about my experience as a displaced Northwestern European.
Many White Women and European are hard workers be it at home, outside the home, or both. There is little to no welfare state in the USA and many of us would not qualify anyway. Many White European Women in the USA are middle, working, or lower class, yet we all get branded with the Faux Narrative Of White Privilege. I live in a middle class white suburb and I see these moms running second hand clothing sales and volunteering at the school. The whole point in my starting this blog is to show how many Working White Women in the USA are victims of DieVersity, yet you never here any press about us. We are the silent victims and that is in much thanks to the Jew Spew Narratives and J-USA Media that is out there.
No, Mr. Alvein, you can kiss my White Girl azzzzzzzzzz. I worked while I was in college. I paid for graduate school out of pocket. I bought and paid for my cars outright. I had to pay to have kids. I pay my own rent now. If want to get WIC or any other help THAT MY AND MY FAMILY’S TAXES PAID INTO, damn it I will do so.
You Mr. Alvein are the groid, the nig. You are probably getting paid to spy on Everyday Americans via the REAL Welfare Queen, that being Homeland Security and/or The NSA.
Your blog and your statements and the posters on it are BOGUS! I will reblog this post in a moment…..
He may been unfair to steroetype White American women although that is his First Amendment right. . But all of his comments about misconceptions of men seeking foreign wives are true. I can attest to at least some of them–for instance the idea that Asian women are docile and submissive. I lived in Hawaii for two years and knew many Asian women. They are not exactly submissive but they are well mannered which could be mistaken for submissive. When I was in Korea on travel I met a young woman who was college educated, spoke English as well as I did, was absolutely beautiful and was very nice. I didn’t see her as docile or submissive at all- just really nice. If she falls in love with an American guy and gets married, what’s wrong with that?
Some guys are just interested in women of other ethnic groups or from other countries. I am white but have dated Asian and black women. I know some white women who like black men. The point is people should be free to date whoever they want without being steroetyped or harassed.
If the author of this blog had not criticized white American women and rather simply stated “for men seeking women in other countries here are some of the misconceptions you may encounter” it would have been fine.
I’ve seen it said that Asian women start out meek and docile but as they grow older they turn into dragon ladies. Also, it’s been said that they are very materialistic and are obsessed with money.
Maybe, not such a great catch after all.
Making mixed race babies is not a good idea.
If what you say is true, options for men in America have dwindled significantly. 50% of the marraiges in America end in divorce and women initiate 70% of the divorces. So a man had a 35% chance of a catastropic failure even if he does everything right. If Asian women are a bad deal and there have been some problems with marraiges between American men and women from Europe and Central/South America, what’s left?
On second thought I need to add something. I live in the Washington DC area and have at least a dozen white male friends who are married to Asian women. Some they met in America and some they met while stationed overseas in in Vietnam, Korea, Japan and the Phillipines. To the best of my knowledge they all still married and happy, defying the 50% divorce statistic.If they were all dragon ladies or obsessed with money, many more would have been divorced. The only accomodation that I saw was this: sometimes when the wife wanted to go back to Asia to see family, the husband would stay home. Many of these guys had long careers with the CIA, State Department or the military and did not want to travel anymore. Otherwise, they got along fine.
Maybe I have just come across a whole cast of bad American men in my life but I find that American men are trashy, feel entitled, vulgar, smell, bald, fat, irresponsible, rude, obnoxious, generally put very little effort forth and general expect the woman to do the vast majority of the relationship work and a lot of other work – the American male is a slob that somehow or another believes himself to be a king of sorts. Grinding past trying to educate this American leech that women aren’t their slaves just isn’t worth the effort. The American’s black male isn’t worth the time and effort either but he does have a much better body than the average American white male since American’s (even us woman) have become so visual.
The American male has become so, hmmmm, warped sexual due to all his porn gazing that he generally has no ability to relate to a woman as a person. I have dated a lot, been respectful, kind, thoughtful and all I hear is do I want the man’s cock. It is amazing how in America a woman can’t eat a banana or a brat or anything else without the man assuming she wants his cock in her mouth. Frankly, I am sick of the entire cock and ball thing. On ever date I have went out on, first date mind you, the man is rubbing his junk up against me and constantly trying to turn the conversation into getting his cock in my mouth or some other sexual innuendos. Good Lord, what I wrong with American men? Frankly I am ready to go outside the borders too … America is no place to be, we have created a bunch of delusional a*sholes.
I am a fit, reasonable athletic woman, average looking woman, previously married for 25 years and I stayed faithful … kept my sexual energy and thoughts at home, kept a good home, raised 3 successful children, worked full time and provide for a beta male who was at times too good to work — not working for the “man” mentality — he was nerdy mind you – Engineer type — was a high school football player so — he was an intolerable high and might a*shole, ain’t nobody better than me mentality that I am also seeing as I am reading these post. Read lots of books to be a better sexual partner and marriage partner. But the average American male a*swipe is too smart already for any of that … he learned everything he needs to know from his buddies, you know the wonderful relationship skills they have. As I date now as a single 50 year old woman … you bet your butt I am going to be picky as I have been brow beat by a male for 30 years, worked my butt off trying to figure out how to be that irrational thing a man wants (men are the irrational ones — my a*s) … I’d rather be single the rest of my life then live with a man that is an entitled, fat, bald, insulting, rude, thinks he is more than what he is (American men are not humble) already did that for 30 with the same man that constantly felt he was missing out too many other good pus*ies to f*ck, poor me boo, hoo …. so there isn’t any pleasing the American white trashy male who is always on the prowl and hunt.
I have had a number of Asian friends that married the so called nerdy, good American white male and uhhhh … they divorced their white trashy butts. Something is wrong with American men, plain and simple. Too much Leave it to Beaver irrational crazy mentality mixed in with the horn dog porn crap they have been watching since 12 … crazy mix, creating crazy irrational American men.
Seems as though you had a bad experience. When I was dating I never did anything such as you say these men did. I am married now, have been out of dating for 23 years. I heard it is no fun. If I were single again I don’t think I could do it. The only advantage with on line dating is that you don’t get rejected over the phone or in person. Rejection is not hearing back. I could message ten women a day, be rejected 3,650 times in one year and never hear the word “no”-sounds painless and easy to me.
you white men are filthy and discusting.do not think that with your self entitlement other races will jump in bed with you because we are quite happy within OUR OWN RACE.whites have the highest divorce rates,infidellity and are the least menogamous race who are alimony golddiggers.stay in europe and do not come to Asia CROOKS!.we cant stand you.also you white people carry filthy diseases.Asia is a no go zone.you come here you will more than likely get killed.also we have not forgotten how you treated our people and keep telling us to go back to our own country.you should all go back to europe! whites are illegal in america since1492′.also your filthy race is going extinct.ww3 is coming and all races are getting ready for the end times when you whites get massacred by all races.europe is crap and going bankrupt.whites are stupid and have low iq’s.if it wasnt for Asia whites wouldnt have any technology whatsoever that shows how dumb you people are. stay the f away from our colored races. WE DONT LIKE YoU! come to Asia our men will kill you.
I have noticed alot of white men dating black, oriental, and Hispanic women recently. My woman is from Argentina. White american women are worthless parasites who can’t live 1 second without their phone. Another embarrassing thing about white American women is that they are turning into ducks with their smooching selfies. Omg it’s sickening. They are superficial dumb bitches.
Black women are not loud this is negative
Its the culture we have created. We have no formal language. We dont use sir and mam, miss, Mr and Mrs. We dont use first and last names. We hide behind fake names on our posts. We really lack manners. We have no attention spans or patience. We regurgitate soundbites we are spoonfed through mass media. We worship celebrities. And our celebrities are really questionable at best. We dont like eye contact. We use our phones as a nervous habit. We are plugged in to tv or tecnology 150 hours a month. We believe lies like equality and indepdence. How are we equal? This is a survivalist world of sink or swim and we can only survive with health, work, and relationships. And what have we done to the word relationship? relationship now means sexual cohabitation or seeing each other romantically. What happened to individuality? We are copy cats and parrots and mindless sheep. Independence? We cant go ten minutes without our cell phone that is lost without calling it from another phone and possibly freaking out and we think we are independent. We are more dependent than ever. Women are women and men are men. Period. We believe that women and men are equal? Women and men are dependent on water, food, shelter, clothing, sleep, health, love, work, social life, We now are dependent on mechanics, appliances, computers, cell phones, cable companies, sanitization, plumbers, waste management, farmers, assessors, clients, and outdoing the neighbor in the keep up with the jonses category, and maintaining status or so called street cred. Women and men need each other to survive. Period. Not only will I never date another American woman ever again, I refuse to date a woman who speaks more than twenty words of English. But dont blame the women this is seriously ignorant. Its the culture. And here are a bunch of men complaining of women… are you truly a provider? can you fix a flat tire? Are you jakcing off to porn all day? are you plugged into video game marathons?Fantasy sports obsessed or just plain watching too many sporting events or star treck reruns? Gold diggers? Another media ploy to divide us brought to you by Jerry Springer and Oprah…Men are obsessed with money and miserable if they dont achieve delusions of conquest and a bunch of do dads, electronics and toys. I have yet to meet a gold digger other than in the tourist trap in Arkansas where there are countless people hacking away hoping to unearth a gold stone. Blessings to all… Especially the american ladies that have treated me well especially immigrants and first generation girls!!! Trust me guys if you think that hopping on a plane to Sweden or China or Colombia is gonna work… think again. Most of you would not last ten days here in Colombia. Most of you would be offended by the Crosses and abundance of Catholic Culture. Most of you could not handle walking over a mile or two a day up serious hills and slopes. Most of you could not handle meeting the family right away and always being in the company of the girls family. Most of you can{t live without air conditioning. Most of you could not handle the street traffic. Most of you could not handle the food. Most of you would be dying for mashed potatoes or the tuna melt within a week. And Rosetta Stone and Rooshs Bang Colombia will not help you either. As much as I despise feminism one thing I would like to see a successful ban on mail order brides and sex tourism. Though we will still take the money from you idiots who keep sending it especially with the Dollar as high as it is against the Peso…. Long live Machmismo, the radical idea that men are men, women are women, and maricas are maricas. The radical idea that a woman should love her feminity and care for the kids and the family while the man does everything possible to provide and stay loyal by her side.
White women from Melbourne Australia are awful also. Most Western women are evil.
Lol I am a 27 year old white guy and I found white woman Repulsive.mainly because a lot of them let the body go they have nasty attuides. Its just the why they act, how a good number of them are unstable and are so so picky and demanding same with Puerto Rican women. I got terid of being cheated on, lied to , abused and yes Evan beaten up by the larger abuse white woman. Just in sort to much drama ,family and friends to deal with to all 3 Allways has to be in it or I LOVE THE LETS BE FRIENDS FIST BULLCRAP. BUT In the end I meet a Asian Indonesian women. I never have been more happy in my whole life, she is truly oppesed with me, does anything to please me as ido for her and she makes me happy .she’s loyal 100 percent so I have no need to worrie of that and I got to tell you out of any race I have been with Asians are the best in bed as they as so light and knowledgeable about such things as will they are so flexable. We are just alike and I love her. Me idk why I never did it more soon. Hmm for the black woman thing. I dated 2 of them before. It was the family specially the brothers I could not get along with no matter what I did. And in theeend they back stabbed me .. but to me I do not really found black woman appling .
This is a situation where anything out there is hopefully better than what we have here. Women here are always so concerned about protecting a young woman’s self esteem, but in my experience, women send our self esteem through the meat grinder. They’re either impossible, unattractive, or crazy. I am totally willing to consider a female equivalent of myself in the looks and sanity department. She doesn’t have to be perfect, just not ridiculously imperfect. I think expanding our horizon makes a lot of sense. Most of the good American women are taken.
American women are down right horrible today altogether. Bring back the real good old fashioned women that we once had since most of them were the very best of all.
I have not touched a vagina by choice in 10 years….Here’s why,and to any women reading this,kick rocks in flip flops you snotty snots…MEN ARE BACK.
Two friends of mine committed suicide after their wives cheated on them,yet in family courts the women still somehow got the kids,cars,the houses and atleast child support,if not more….
About a week after each divorce settlement was handed down,each man committed suicide by gun,after realizing they had been destroyed financially and emotionally by “for better or worse kind of women,”and you American women dont even care,that a boy that slathered out of another womans vagina and grew into manhood,was destroyed by another woman…. Women destroying others womens sons without care….for cash and prizes.
After also encountering a “not so fresh vagina 10 years ago,”I now agree with chris crockers video on you tube called “cooch.” In that video he said,”If a cooch doesnt turn you vegetarian,then nothing will.” Aint that the freaking truth…So after two friends commit suicide through womens privelege and encountering a not so fresh cooch,(which I still have night mares about) I have chosen to run into the woods like the indian did from the movie,”One flew over the coo coo’s nest.” NO SH#T!!
I find American/westernized women to be the most repulsive,entitled,narcissistic,overvalued,goldigging,play no tradtional role kind of women….supposedly equal to men while everything they will touch today was delivered,manufactured,invented and set up by men….who wear mens crew cuts,brag about peeing out of plastic pee cups,wearing vagina’s on their heads with complete privelege over their men,making men pay child support for kids that arent even ours because the man was father like for a short period of time….
Women glad judges throw out mens prenups,making false rape claims and getting no jail time,voting for gun control as women in the same supposed rape epidemic women talk about….
Anti-depressants combined with daily contraceptive pills have women bouncing off the walls in America….right next to their kitty kitty’s and lil bastids who also have fleas,women now make testosterone because of the daily contraceptive pill…..
Women believe they are gods because they just bring a lousy vagina monkey pocket to the table in times of the aids virus….believing they have the perceived choice of millions of men to choose from through online dating and social media for a boyfriend or a husband,raised by disney princess movies,raised playing with barbie mansions and barbie vettes….This is where westernized womens sense of entitlement comes from…
As nasty black and white women both take black mens jobs and college admission through affirmative action,who then ask where the good black men went,who talk about an imaginary pay disparity,who then refuse to read the equal pay act of 1963…YOU AMERICAN WOMEN ARE UNDATEABLE,OVERVALUED,NARCISSISTIC AHOLES…
Women get lesser charges or sentences for the same crime a man would commit in criminal courts,women now hurt more children as single mothers than anyone else….Women now raise the rapists as single mothers,women fill our prisons with their bastid kid hell spawn….women drive mini vans full of bastid kids in to the oceans,lesbians have the highest rates of domestic violence against other women,Women happy to raise emasculated feminized boys into manhood,who in the future will not be sexually desired by other women…..Thats where your manly men went.Everyday in America,an American woman is murdering her flippin kids….??????
Here is why American women are murderering their kids…POST PARDUM DEPRESSION IS NON -EXHISTANT IN AMISH WOMEN AND OTHER CULTURES WORLD WIDE,BECAUSE AMERICAN WOMEN ARE THE NUTTIEST,MOST MEDICATED,PROCESSED FOOD EATING,GARBAGE ENTERTAINMENT WATCHING,CELEBRATE FAT ACCEPTANCE WHILE LITTLE KIDS IN THE WORLD DIE OF STARVATION,UG BOOT WEARING,I PHONE ADDICTED,LEADING THE WORLD IN ABORTION,OBESITY,SINGLE MOTHERHOOD,DIVORCE AND PERSONAL DEBT,MASCULINE,BRAINWASHED TO HATE THEIR MEN COMMIE FEMINISTS CREATIONS,THE ENTIRE WORLD HAS EVER WITNESSED….
I OFTEN WONDER IF AMERICAN WOMEN ARE MACHINES NOW,MANUFACTURED,MENTALLY ILL,NATION DESTROYING ZOMBIES….WHO LOVE DRESSING AS DOGS,CATS AND ZOMBIES ON SOCIAL MEDIA,WHILE STICKING THEIR NASTY BUTTS OUT LIKE MONKEYS,OVERSEXUALIZING THEMSELVES IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYWHERE THEY GO,WHO GET ANGRY WHEN MEN COMPLIMENT THEIR BREASTS,WHICH HANG OUT OF THEIR LOW CUT BLOUSES,WHILE OVERSEXUALIZING THEMSELVES…Tommy Sotomayor sais that black women are snack pack throwers,if thats true then white women are vanilla pudding throwers…lmao!!! The mentally challenged in America wear helmets to protect themselves from the rest of us…LOL!!!
MEN,PLEASE TAKE YOUR NUTS BACK FROM CRETINS AS DESCRIBED AND RUN FOR THE MOUNTAINS….SH#TS NOT FUNNY ANYMORE.AMERICAN WOMEN WILL DESTROY YOUR LIFE,AND WILL NEVER EVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR PRIVELEGE IN AMERICA WHICH BENEFITS THEM.
I DONT LIKE WHITE SUPREMACISTS,WHICH IS THIS BLACK WOMAN OF AMERICA WHO DESTROYS HER OWN BLACK BROTHER FOR NON PAYMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT SHE KNOWS HE CANT PAY,WHO DENIES HER CHILD A FATHERS LOVE WHILE HE IS IN JAIL,IS LESS LIKELY TO GET A JOB BECAUSE OF HIS CRIMINAL RECORD HE WILL NOW HAVE,IS LESS LIKELY TO GET A JOB BECAUSE CREEPY BLACK AND WHITE WOMEN BOTH TAKE HIS JOB AND COLLEGE ADMISSION THROUGH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION,AND WHILE THE WHITE SUPREMACIST BLACK WOMAN WEARS FAKE EYE LASHES,FAKE HAIR,BLOND HAIR AND BLUE CONTACTS,WILL GLADLY JAIL HER BLACK BROTHER UNDER THE 13TH AMMENDMENT WHICH ALLOWS SLAVERY IF CONVICTED OF A CRIME,FOR THE CRIME OF NOT PAYING CHILD SUPPORT.
What in the all hell happened to American women???AMERICAN WOMEN ARE JEZIBEL SPIRITED,INNER AND OUTER MISS PIGGY DEMONS WHO HAVE DESTROYED THEMSELVES,CHIVALRY AND THEIR OWN MEN AND FAMILIES THROUGH LAWS WHICH BENEFIT THEM…”THAT CHILDS NAME IS NOT CHUCKY,ITS CHECKY.”
I THINK AMERICA IS ALREADY DONE,ITS NOT COMING BACK.On another personal note,sadly a friend of mine I have,his wife left him the day after money was desposited into his account, from the sale of a dead relatives home he had inherited…She left him a year and half ago,yet still keeps this man on a string that she “MIGHT COME BACK,”after moving out,while she dates other men….
He waits for her like a little puppy dog and I hate it…I told him that he needs to check her.She would probably come right back if she walked in the house and he was with a 25 year old girl,I mean the marriage is over anyway….
I dont fear muslums,I fear nutty women as described,who are predatory which is backed up by the privelege women have in the courts,to extract our wealth as men….I fear American women who have aborted 60,000,000 future Americans with the morning after pill available,while men are denied the right to opt out of fatherhood…. I fear American women who gladly initiaite 75% of the 50% of all marriages that end in divorce.If American men were doing to women through the court system,what women are doing to men,women would be avoiding men also,but for some reason,with men in America falling like domino’s in the court system,all nutty American women can do at this point is try to shame us into relationships with them,telling us we are gay and or asexual.Many men are just done with American women and their awful entitlement attitudes.The gigs up,men are back.
Describing American women is simple,most of them are certifiably mentally ill and belong in mental institutions….
MGTOW,CHOOSING COMPLETE CELIBACY AND RUNNING FOR THE MOUNTAINS IS OUR ONLY OPTION…..MEN OF AMERICA ARE ON STRIKE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS,THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO GET BETTER,WE ARE PROBABLY 50 YEARS TOO LATE IN TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS…PEOPLE DONT TALK ABOUT SUCH UNPOLITICALLY CORRECT THINGS TILL AT EPIDEMIC LEVELS,NOW ITS TOO LATE…WOMEN AS DESCRIBED ARE UNABLE TO CHANGE,THE SYSTEM,FEMINISM AND THEIR PRIVELEGE HAS CREATED SUCH NARCISSISM,THAT OUR WOMEN ARE DESTROYED AND INCAPABLE OF CHANGING.
COMMUNIST FEMINIST LESBIANS WHO MAY NOT EVEN LIKE WOMEN THEMSELVES,OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER,ALONG WITH THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS,PRIVELEGED THE JEZIBEL SPIRIT OF WOMEN PURPOSEFULLY TO BRING AMERICA TO ITS KNEES….
WE AS MEN NEED TO LEARN TO PROTECT OUR FINANCIAL,EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL FUTURES,AS WOMEN THINK IT IS OK TO PHYSICALLY ASSUALT US.AMERICA MAY VERY WELL HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY FEMINISM ALONE,WHICH MANUFACTURED THE LAWS WHICH BENEFIT WOMEN,AND BRAINWASHED THEM INTO THEIR OWN SELF DESTRUCTION OF THE MIND,BODY AND SPIRIT.DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SAVE THEM FROM THEMSELVES,BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE DONE.
RUNNING FOR THE WOODS LIKE THE INDIAN DID FROM THE MOVIE,”ONE FLEW OVER THE COO COO’S NEST,”IS ALL WE CAN DO…
RUN FROM THE WESTERN WOMANS MENTAL ASYLUM MIND,OF THE DESTRUCTION OF HER OWN MIND,BODY,FEMININE SPIRIT AND FINANCIAL HOUSE DUE TO USELESS COLLEGE DEGREES AND CREDIT CARD DEBTS THROUGH CONSUMPTION OF MATERIAL GOODS….
LIVE LIKE A MOUSE AND KEEP YOUR PECKER IN YOUR PANTS….AND YOU WILL OWN THE WORLD,WHEN YOU CHECK YOUR SEXUAL DESIRES.BOOBIES ARE SPEED BUMPS ON THE SPIRITUAL PATH….
American women destroyed too many men in America,so men finally took notes,realized what was going on and rightfully ran away.
HEY LADIES,THERE IS A GOOD MAN DROUGHT,TO FIND A GOOD MAN YOU HAVE TO BE A GOOD WOMAN…
I FIND AFTER MANY YEARS,AMERICAN WOMEN ONLY LOVE FELONS AND WILL PRETEND TO LOVE MILLIONAIRRES.IN MY YOUTH,A WOMAN I DATED WAS OBSESSED WITH SERIAL KILLERS.SHE WATCHED DOCUMENTARIES AND READ BOOKS ON SERIAL KILLERS ALL THE TIME.AS A YOUNG SKIRT CHASING BOY IN HEAT,I DIDNT EVEN THINK MUCH OF IT….
OF COURSE IT DIDNT WORK OUT…WHEN A MAN LIKE MYSELF WOULD GIVE A WOMAN AS DESCRIBED FLOWERS,PAY FOR HER DINNERS,DRINKS AND OPEN UP A WOMANS DOOR,WHO WAS OBSESSED WITH MEN WHO MURDERED WOMEN,OR TREATED THEM LIKE SH#T…THIS NUTTY WOMAN AS DESCRIBED WAS REPULSED BY ME…THANK GOD!!
I HAD A GOOD LAUGH THINKING ABOUT THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO,OF COURSE TREATING A WOMAN NICE,WHO WAS OBSESSED WITH MEN WHO HURT WOMEN,WOULD NOT WANT A “NICE GUY.”
I THINK AMERICAN WOMEN ARE MENTALLY ILL,I HAD FUN IN THE LATER DATING CAREER AS A MAN,WHO REALIZED WOMEN LIKED BEING TREATED LIKE SH#T…..BUT IT GOT OLD….AS A MAN WITH A BRAIN,I SIMPLY THOUGHT,IMAGINE THE KID THIS WOMAN WOULD RAISE IF WE HAD ONE,BEING A WOMAN WHO LIKED BEING TREATED LIKE SH#T….
SICK JOKE FOR YOU—READY,MAYBE WOMEN WHO BEAT AND HURT THEIR CHILDREN,AS WOMEN WHO LIKE BEING TREATED LIKE SH#T,ARE TRYING TO GET THE CHILDREN TO TREAT THEM LIKE SH#T….LMAO!!! RUN,RUUUUUUUUUUUN AMERICAN MEN….
WOMEN ARE EMOTIONAL CREATURES,MANY OF THEM CANNOT IMAGINE LIVING COMPLETELY BY THEMSELVES,YET MEN AS MYSELF AND MEN WHO HAVE CHOSEN CELIBACY AFTER SEEING WHAT CANNOT BE UNSEEN WITH NUTTY WESTERN WOMEN,FEEL AS IF WE HAVE ABSOLUTLEY NO CHOICE BUT TO AVOID WESTERN WOMEN COMPLETELY.AMERICAN WOMEN BROUGHT THE MAN DROUGHT ON THEMSELVES.MANY OF US AS MEN FEEL AS IF DYING ALONE WITH ONE LOYAL DOG IS BETTER THAN BEING WITH AN ACTUAL FEMALE.
SADLY AMERICAN WOMEN HATE RUBBER SEX DOLLS…..IF THATS NOT A PORTRAIT OF THE AMERICAN WOMANS SELF DESTRUCTION,THAT MEN WOULD RATHER HAVE A RUBBER FEMALE DOLL,THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS…..AMERICAN WOMEN ARE SO LOW ON THE TOTUM POLE,THEY ACTUALLY LOST OUT TO VIDEO GAMES AND RUBBER DOLLS.SPOILED ROTTEN,ENTITLED,PRIVELEGED WESTERN WOMEN ARE ANGRY WE ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES AND NOT WITH THEM.WOMEN WILL ACTUALLY HATE INANIMATE OBJECTS,LIKE CARS,VIDEO GAMES OR A MANS TOOLS IN THE GARAGE,IF HE PAYS THEM MORE ATTENTION THAN HER….BUT IT SHOW IS OK FOR A WOMAN TO TELL A MAN WITH A LUDICRIS NARCISSISTIC LOOK ON HER FACE,THAT SOME OTHER MANS KIDS COME FIRST…LOLOLOLOLOLOL!! AMERICA MANUFACTURED SUCH NARCISSISTIC ENTITLED WOMEN,THAT WOMEN IN THEIR DESTROYED STATES OF OBESITY AND SINGLE MOTHERHOOD STILL BELIEVE THEY ARE GODS!!! LOL !!!DAMN IT,I THINK MEN ARE BACK.RECLAIM YOUR NUTS BOYS AND AVOID THESE JEZIEBL SPIRITED DEMONS WHO BRING NOTHING TO THE TABLE BUT MISERY PERSONIFIED….!!! MGTOW,GET EXCITED ABOUT IT! ITS A MENS MOVEMENT!!
VERY WELL,NEARLY HALF OF ALL AMERICAN WOMEN ARE NOW EITHER OBESE OR SINGLE MOTHERS,OR BOTH IN THE USA…..WTH??
You need to evolve as a man to the point you will be repulsed by western women who declare to be equal to men,when women are so obviously not….Men created womens epidural,c-section,abortion,men farm the cotton for womens tampons and underwear….while men put amelia earhart in a plane and kicked the plane down the tarmac men laid.
Every building a woman walks into made by man,every inch of road ,the car,i phone,men invented the acrylic for womens nails and the glue that holds them on……All I am saying here,is that westernized women are obviously out of order….Its sad,its disgusting,its heart wrenching….while all the black women can say to their men is”Well your momma black,” or white women saying,Well you came out of a womans womb.” blah blah blah… I think American women are retarded.No offense to the mentally challenged,who obviously have higher iq than American women.
I was just thinking about women who teach autistic children in schools….Some autistic children can be violent….Perhaps an autistic boy who lashes out against a female teacher,is annoyed that the teacher would claim to be equal to him….(rim shot) LOL!!! Picture a wild little scene,of a female teacher protesting that an autistic school boy was trying to press his little plastic helmet on her head,that the teacher forced him to wear for his own protection.( NO OFFENSE TO THE MENTALLY CHALLENGED WHO HAVE TO WEAR HELMETS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE REST OF US) RIM SHOOOT!!!
American women are the nuttiest nuts in the dumb dumb salad of idiocracy and a nations collapse,the world has ever witnessed………MEN OF AMERICA QUIT…MGTOW AND COMPLETE CELIBACY IS THE ONLY WAY.
Here is to not giving two sh$ts about how a woman would view you,grabbing your nuts sack and crowing in the sunshine…..errrr errrr errr A errrrr!!
M G T O W COMPLETE CELIBACY…FROM PARTS UNKNOWN.
You are right and I am happy about those facts. Interracial and international couples are growing because of cultural, emotional, and mental issues from those of the same races or nationalities. I have an unique and amazing blog called “Foreign Love Web”. I regularly discuss topics such as international dating, foreign women, American and foreign cultures, psychology, Christianity, etc. I have already over 115 blog posts. Please visit, anyone, my blog if you are interested.
I praise interracial and international couples 100%.
Russian women rock.
Although there are a few American women with decent looks, in the vast majority of cases their attitudes and knowledge about things beyond their own eyesight generally sucks.
Outside of teenage years, most are vastly overweight. Many lack free time to pursue relationships. Many have poor relationship habits, need alcohol or drugs to unwind and get around a little too much for me.
Due to the excesses and toxic shame associated with religion this culture and their entitled upbringing, the chances of you finding a good one still in normal childbearing age is not good.
“One conclusion: white men and black women should get together in larger numbers than they already do. It just makes sense, and I’ve been saying this for a long time.”
Yap. You’re a nigger. Stopped reading right there. People always speak from their own desire.
What’s the matter nigger? Upset because white men or white women would rather be alone than be with a nigger?
Everyone is eating 5 star meals. You have nothing. Someone offers you cockroaches with ketchup. You don’t have any food. So you’ll take anything. Nope. Sorry nigger. Rather starve.
You are an Idiot and a Racist Idiot at that so go ahead and starve.
Most american women are like a car that has been driven a 100,000 miles and smoked and has low power.Ameticam women want a white man to marry her and take care of her with money,home and bank account,but she knows that he won’t be able to satisfie her with his small dick,so she Ron’s down town and fines a big dick NIGGER to satisfie her,and this will continue until she gets caught and loses every thing. I know this because I have seen it happen to 5or6 other couples over the last 25 years. They have 20r 3 kids that hears about what she did,and now they don’t want any thing to do with her,but she has to get a job and help pay for kids education. This is what happens when a worthless slut gets caught fucking a Nigger. I don’t think that it will change because these women have bought in to a lie,that says that she should be able to have it all, i belive that they are all mental cases and should be put in a mental hospital some where. This kind of thing is tearing this country apart at the seams. I do belive that we are liveing in the last days and the devil has got his hand in it to do every thing he can to tear apart what GOD has put togeather,because he is full of greed and anger,but the people can’t seem to see the truth,so they wind up falling g in to his trap! People think that they have every thing under control,but they don’t that is a lie from saten,but GOD’S son has given us our answer,all you have to do is except it,because GOD has the final word,and when he calls you,what every you have done will decide where you spend eternity!
I belive that most of this shit on here is made up bull shit from some hightly educated ass wipe that thinks that he or she thinks that they are qualified to judge what is right and wrong,but does not take the time to learn what the bible says.Just because you have a degree,does not qualified you to know every thing.ONLY GOD can judge So get your head out of your ass,and face the truth.